kficanon | part thirty nine

but are you talking abt just comments or actual postitive/negative feedback? bec imo it's not really accepted to give feedback unless it's asked for, and i feel uncomfortable both giving and recieving crit unprompted.

sadly to say a lot of those ~good quality~ fics are either boring as hale or __ words of purple prose

a lot of comments on aff are mainly spazzing and/or asking the author to update, which is not proper etiquette on lj ig? those aren't the kind of comments you want tho

i guess i'm a bit confused, what's the difference between a comment and positive/negative feedback? to me, posting your work in a public arena like lj/dw is an open invitation to feedback of any kind. it's great if it's positive and you learn that someone has enjoyed your writing but if it's constructive crit why is that unwelcome?

would you comment on a fic and tell an author you liked their story or is that not accepted either? sorry for all the questions but i'm genuinely intrigued by your commenting etiquette!

da, but in my mind fanfiction is a labour of love, and i think a lot of people write fics for fun and/or for the sake of the community only. they probably don't need (or want) to be told their fics suck, even if they do, because they are not writing seriously.

but people who want to write seriously and improve their writing will often ask for crit.

i'm not a fan of purple prose or dialog-lite character studies and they both seem to appear a lot in kpop ficdom!

i know update requests are mostly pointless (and would probably never occur on lj anyway since no one seems to write chaptered fic there) but spazzing should be allowed anywhere, right? i'm sure it's egotistical of me but i do write partially in the hopes of getting feedback. i like writing and i like creating but hearing that my efforts are appreciated make it even better!

urgh, sorry ;; i'm such a fail. i'll pm you! (and yes, i guessed right, hehe. i just didn't wanna pm you first since if i was wrong it'd be soooo awkward)

a regular comment would be something appreciative that pm only tells you that they read the fic and that they liked it, pm a spazzing comment as you talk abt with anon below. a crit comment would not only tell that they liked your fic (if they did), they would also tell WHAT they liked and WHY they liked it. + a few things that wasn't great/that you could improve, and maybe a few questions abt things or why you chose to do things a certain way.

to me, posting a work on the internet is not in anyway a green light to tell the creator all your thoughts abt it. on a few occasions i have given constructive crit (with things i didn't like) without the author expressively asking for it, and in those cases i have been pretty sugar-coated abt it and tried very hard to be nice and constructive and do the crit sandwish lol, with two good points for every bad. still i have not felt very comfortable abt it in those situations, even if the author has responded well.

i know a lot of writers aren't interested in improving and write only for fun and then it can be rly unpleasant to have ppl pointing out stuff they didn't like abt something you did only for fun. maybe writing is your happyplace where you can escape from rl stress and issues, and then someone comes and ruins that for you? i don't know the authors story, and thus i am very careful with unprompted crit. even tho i sometimes hook up with a beta and sometimes ask for crit, some days i'm just not fit for hearing those things and then i do not want it. i hate it when ppl think of you as an amateur writer or some kind of wuss for this. crit is hard to take and i think the author should be able to choose when they're ready to take it. even though i am very serious about writing i do not always want to improve, i struggle with it to the point where i sometimes am just happy to be able to put a word on a paper and be content with it. that's the level where i'm at. and that's not a level where you can take crit.

leaving spazzy comments telling the author i liked their fic is always accepted i think, that's sort of the point abt posting fic right? i think most people think of it that way anyway. do you usually not spend a lot of time on lj?

a quick question regarding prompt meme etiquette since i never really participated in one: are multiple fills alright or not?

multiple fills are definitely fine!

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i def understand where you're coming from. when i was into anime fandom (el oh el), it was kind of jarring if you gave constructive criticism towards someone if they haven't asked for it? it's like, it's a hobby for so many people and they didn't take it seriously, so if you left a constructive comment, even if it was legit, it'd kind of be like "thnx but i'm doing it for fun." which is, i guess fair enough. but i feel like in k-pop fandom, the idea of receiving/giving concrit is a lot more open and people are definitely a lot more receptive towards it?

personally though, i feel kinda uncomfortable giving constructive criticism too, even tho i don't mind receiving it. lol. i think a lot of people though, would prefer being given constructive criticism to their face, rather than have their fic discussed on an anonmeme.

at the same time, even if you do ask for crit i find that it rarely happens. and it can be hard to find betas as well. i think most ppl these days don't read fic very seriously (at least not in my fandom), it's a form of entertainment and they don't rly think abt it and then it's not in their nature to leave long deep crit on a piece. i love all appreciative comments lol, even if it's just a keysmash, although i think most authors have a soft spot in their heart for these long, analyzing comments that aren't necessarily crit bec they don't point out bad things but they show you that your reader really read your piece and absorbed it and thought about it carefully. but those comments are kind of rare. maybe this is a recent thing or it depends on the nature of the fandom or it's always been more or less like this, idk. but idt many people are inclined to give real crit, even when it's asked for.

da i personally find i really hard to give criticism. even when my friends ask me to beta their work, at the most i just change a few sentences around/fix grammar, but i just... can't give constructive criticism in terms of plot/character :/

thanks! something maybe caught my eye and i don't want to step on any toes /o\

ik it's really hard! i think both taking and giving crit is a skill in a way that must be practiced. especially giving (and it's so interesting how different betas have so different way of critting lol.) like what to crit? how to crit? what is important and what should you just not mention? i think so much of it boils down to taste and also i think it's so important to find a beta who is at the same level as you, otherwise it's hard to make it work. it's hard!! lol

this is something i see a lot when reading fic from well known writers in my fandom. they're okay and definitely quality fics, but have obvious flaws and some characterization issues that could be ironed out easily with proper feedback. but then i see the usual OMG SO CUTE!! SO FUNNY, PLEASE WRITE MORE!! spazzing and i kind of... don't want to be that person that comes on with elaborate pros and cons?

and it's just like people mentioned before, you never really know whether the author actually wants proper feedback or not. i don't want to be the one raining on someone's fun writing parade either. but leaving an only positive comment to something that needs improving feels a bit fake?

overthinking this issue a bit much i guess lol

da the ppl leaving those positive comments might not be seeing these flaws that you see tho? if you don't like it you can just refrain from making a comment. i hate leaving fake comments too and i always try to be as honest as possible when i comment, even if i don't give crit. if i only liked parts of a fic, i will only mention those parts.

anyway i think it might be easier both for you and for the author to send a pm with crit instead, bec then nobody has to deal with it out in the open.

thank you for your detailed reply! i was confused initially because i interpreted your first response as saying you could comment or give feedback and i wondered how they could be two separate things. i get you now, and i really appreciate you taking the time to explain how you differentiate between each type of comment.

for me, the trend that i'm seeing in kpop ficdom is that no comments are being left, spazzy or critical. i wasn't here much for this round of olymfics but if it went the way of every other fic comp or exchange there was a great deal of discussion on the meme, with anons dissecting each story and giving their opinions on everything from characterization to formatting and yet not even leaving a polite "thank you for writing" comment on the fic itself.

you're right in that writing, and especially fanfiction writing, is something we do because we love the artists and enjoy the writing process, but does anyone write for a void? i'd like some sort of acknowledgement of reading for anything i've done, whether it's a quick drabble dashed off in twenty minutes or something i've battled with for months, struggling with every word. i go to ao3 and see fics for popular fandoms with thousands of kudos and yet often we as a fandom can't even bring ourselves to sign the guestbook after reading a fic we've enjoyed.

i understand that you don't want to have something you do as an escape be marred by critical feedback, but just wondering - do you disable comments all together when you post to lj? i've never done that, nor seen it in kpop ficdom, and when the comment option is there i don't know how we can expect anyone to not use it.

yes, i believe that spazzy comments are acceptable! i was just confused by your comment, lol. in many ways i think they are expected, and while posting doesn't automatically mean you are entitled to a certain number of spazzy comments i think the onus is on the reader to let an author know when they've enjoyed reading their fic.

i've had a lj for around eight years now and i've been in kpop fandom for nearly half of that, and it's my changing experience with the ficdom that prompted my original comment. even two years ago i would see writers receive x amount of comments, and now when they post fics of the same calibre i see a quarter of those comments. i don't understand why this is happening and that's why i posed the question to the world/meme!

thank you again for your reponses, anon!

i know lot of authors tend to participate in those end of year feedback memes. that's always my favourite way of receiving feedback, and i've always gotten good crit from it :3

i think a lot of people though, would prefer being given constructive criticism to their face, rather than have their fic discussed on an anonmeme

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i've been wanked on and the very worst thing was the fact that it didn't come to me directly, that i had to stumble upon the negative comments on my own. i can respect an honest opinion and would like to know where i could improve and i agree that it would be the same for most people.

i didn't pay much attention to olymfics (altho i heard there wasn't many comments) but idt there was that much discussion over it here either? partially bec kfa was dead at the time, but idk. as i said idt ppl are so inclined to in-depth discussion, at least not rn. and tbh, having a dozen of ppl entusiastically reading and dissecting something written on the internet is a pretty curious phenomena to me, when i think abt it. i do not expect that to happen. maybe there's also not as many people reading fics around at the moment? less ppl = less comments.

i also definitely want acknolwedgement for the things i write, ofc. that's why i said that's why you post to lj, for the appreciative comments. i've seen some ppl disable comments on their fic but it's rare. idk what fandom you write for anon, but my ficdom is fairly lively and we do get comments on what we write. maybe not 20min drabbles, but write porn or longfic and there will be comments lol. but i haven't followed the changes of kpop ficdown very closely so idk tbh.

for me, the trend that i'm seeing in kpop ficdom is that no comments are being left, spazzy or critical. i wasn't here much for this round of olymfics but if it went the way of every other fic comp or exchange there was a great deal of discussion on the meme, with anons dissecting each story and giving their opinions on everything from characterization to formatting and yet not even leaving a polite "thank you for writing" comment on the fic itself.

this is actually sort of my issue with anonmemes in general. especially when it comes to olymfics. there's a fair amount of discussion of meme on the fic, either praising it, or giving constructive criticism. but on the fic itself, i often see 0 comments. and i just think that if you can discuss fic on meme, you should at least write a simple comment on the entry itself just to show authors that their fic is being read + appreciated. i know a lot of fandoms complain about how desolate their fic environment is now, so i feel like at the very least, you should comment to encourage writers to keep on writing?

da but multiple fills are awesome :) two or more stories per idea what's not to love imo

oh i realize that some points might just be personal preference, but i am talking more about things like obviously false facts or characterization that is off in an unrealistic way.

but you're definitely right with suggesting not to bring that up in front of everyone in the comments i suppose. it's one of my concerns that it's seen as an attack by exposing the writer out in the open or something like that (no matter how gently you phrase it...), when it's really just well meant concrit and suggestions.

this isn't about giving someone harsh crit when they didn't even ask for it, that's not what i'd do. but i guess the current tone with comments is that even small suggestions for improvement will be taken the wrong way and then i'd rather not comment at all

i didn't even think of these haha! it's a good suggestion to wait for these, actually. and give those concrit that really ask for it

they still might not see it, or not be bothered by it, tho?

the current tone with comments is that even small suggestions for improvement will be taken the wrong way and then i'd rather not comment at all
ita, i think most people aren't used to taking crit and tbh i don't blame them bec it takes some time getting used to. maybe one could send them a pm and very gently ask if they want crit? tho there is a stigma in saying no to such a question too so idk.

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