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part thirty nine
POSTING THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF USERS IS A SERIOUS TOS VIOLATION. PLEASE DON'T DO IT
POSTING THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF USERS IS A SERIOUS TOS VIOLATION. PLEASE DON'T DO IT
yes i could appreciate an accurate, elaborate portrayal of idoldom but my main problem with canon is that said idoldom seems to be shitty as fuck and it gives me stomach aches. just the thought of living on 2h sleep every night, constantly being followed around my fans and stalkers and having close to 0 personal life, practicing like 90% of your awake time and constantly dieting and constantly being under scrutiny from all directions on who you are and what you do and what you are and what you are not... just makes me sad. :((( i get enough of that in just stanning my oppars so i don't want it in fic. fic for me is getting to take out people i like and putting them in different environments and playing around with them. basically fandom and ficdom for me is a virtual dollhouse where i can play dress-up with my oppars lmao.
http://runandgun.livejournal.com/20982.html
the "sex with buildings" fic if you're familiar with exo
the "sex with buildings" fic if you're familiar with exo
yeah i feel this a lot wrt issues about queer idols but i don't think a fic has to be all doom and gloom to aim for a more accurate portrayal, you know?
idk people have a hard enough time characterizing idols in non-au settings that i really wish people would start there before moving on to grander ideas. which doesn't mean "fuck experimentation only good writers qualify" but i think that more people should. i guess....be more considerate with their characterization choices? a lot of aus jump straight to unrecognizable pretty quickly.
idk people have a hard enough time characterizing idols in non-au settings that i really wish people would start there before moving on to grander ideas. which doesn't mean "fuck experimentation only good writers qualify" but i think that more people should. i guess....be more considerate with their characterization choices? a lot of aus jump straight to unrecognizable pretty quickly.
ikrrrr they're all basically the same fic and i mean it's okay if you like that, it can be rly enjoyable to write or read something cliched but it's.. just this never-ending stream of the exact same kind of fic. and i think that many would enjoy expanding their themes but it doesn't come to them, i mean i used to be the same, like my default setting for whatever fic i was gonna write was hs au lol. (which otoh is an understandable tendency bec it's an environment that most people know of and feel comfortable writing about, doesn't require a lot of research. ig canon too is an easy first choice since it's the actual situation of the ppl you're writing about. but yeah. to a certain degree this is abt diffrent strokes ofc.) it's great to hear that you feel liberated! what kind of fic are you writing now?
actually /o\ while i'm all big words, by the end of the day my fic reading comes down to "give me porn and i'm happy" lmao /o\ (i'm not at all like this when i read books or watch movies, like i hate it when they fuck up a good movie with a romance plotline, but when i read fic my mind is immediately like "so when do they fuck". that said i'm not much for graphic drawn-out sex scenes but like my main goal when reading and writing fic is someone's physical relationship with someone else i can't help it /o\) too long wordcounts also tends to be a bit much for me to chew and i suppose that's where most unusual plots etc are to be found so. but hey i'm all for weird/stand-outish porn i'm totally trying to make this a thing.
actually /o\ while i'm all big words, by the end of the day my fic reading comes down to "give me porn and i'm happy" lmao /o\ (i'm not at all like this when i read books or watch movies, like i hate it when they fuck up a good movie with a romance plotline, but when i read fic my mind is immediately like "so when do they fuck". that said i'm not much for graphic drawn-out sex scenes but like my main goal when reading and writing fic is someone's physical relationship with someone else i can't help it /o\) too long wordcounts also tends to be a bit much for me to chew and i suppose that's where most unusual plots etc are to be found so. but hey i'm all for weird/stand-outish porn i'm totally trying to make this a thing.
ig my perception of the idol business is a lot of doom and gloom. there must be parts of idolhood that is good as well, otherwise ig ppl wouldn't pursue it, like having fans who love and idolize you. but still when people write positive details into a canon verse i always kneejerk think that it's not like that, that they're too gullible. another aspect is that i think that idolhood and fame is, in general/many areas, glorified and thus i think it's good to show that it's not all fun and glamour, probably not much fun and glamour at all. then again that's my perception of it and i haven't been an idol so idk but if you just listen to what they're saying and see what's going on around them... ugh. tho i'm not saying that you can't or shouldn't write a light-hearted/positive (while still fairly realistic/accurate) canon fic, i'm sure that could be rly enjoyable.
this feels so much like an unpopular opinion that i almost feel ashamed and almost don't dare to say it even here, but: i don't rly care for characterisation. good characterisation can be great but i think there's lots of other things that can also be of value and also characterisation is so subjective and the view of somebody can differ so much from person to person. and there's so many sides to a person that you can bring out and choose to focus on. i'm so careful with saying that ppl aren't putting enough effort into their characterisation bec by the end of the day none of us know these people and well all have different headcanons. also growing up in a different universe could shape who they are so i'm not so strict about that. tho i def think you should still try to keep some kind of recognizability even in an au. i just feel that i so often come across ppl who are all "WILL SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHARACTERISATION" and i'm just like.. idrgaf. if you enjoy writing what you're writing and you write a good story that i enjoy reading then it's cool. as long as you're not making all characters bland and similar, but i think that's sort of a different deal.
this feels so much like an unpopular opinion that i almost feel ashamed and almost don't dare to say it even here, but: i don't rly care for characterisation. good characterisation can be great but i think there's lots of other things that can also be of value and also characterisation is so subjective and the view of somebody can differ so much from person to person. and there's so many sides to a person that you can bring out and choose to focus on. i'm so careful with saying that ppl aren't putting enough effort into their characterisation bec by the end of the day none of us know these people and well all have different headcanons. also growing up in a different universe could shape who they are so i'm not so strict about that. tho i def think you should still try to keep some kind of recognizability even in an au. i just feel that i so often come across ppl who are all "WILL SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHARACTERISATION" and i'm just like.. idrgaf. if you enjoy writing what you're writing and you write a good story that i enjoy reading then it's cool. as long as you're not making all characters bland and similar, but i think that's sort of a different deal.
lmao anon we are basically the same person. sex is really all i need to be happy. romance subplots in movies and tv shows just make me roll my eyes (which tbh probably has more to do with the fact that i simply do not care about the love lives of straight people) but when it comes to fic i'm good as long as they fuck eventually. and if a fic is over ~3000 words and isn't at least about a pairing i ship, it is very very unlikely i am going to read it............ especially if there's no sex, lol. but i HATE drawn-out sex scenes. i am not here for 1000 words of foreplay and ""sexy"" banter. tl;dr: just fuck already.
weird/standout porn needs to be a thing!!! less blowjob-finger-fuck, more sex in strange places and unusual fetishes and unconventional relationships.
i've mostly been working on unusual aus? but i also have been caring less about my prose sounding perfect... i've been being kind of ~wild~ with my sentence structure and metaphors and word choices. idk if it's working but it feels good to not care so much about being generally palatable.
weird/standout porn needs to be a thing!!! less blowjob-finger-fuck, more sex in strange places and unusual fetishes and unconventional relationships.
i've mostly been working on unusual aus? but i also have been caring less about my prose sounding perfect... i've been being kind of ~wild~ with my sentence structure and metaphors and word choices. idk if it's working but it feels good to not care so much about being generally palatable.
da, I agree with you about characterisation. really all anyone has to go off of are pretty superficial impressions of these idols so I don't really care about characterisation. when you're writing about real people it's not like you've got a piece of paper with all the proof of their apparent characterisation written out, or if you do...all of that is made available to the public for the purpose of selling a product pretty much. ultimately when I'm reading fic what I read probably tells me more about the writer than the subject and I'm cool with that. I might prefer it when authors characterise someone a certain way, but ultimately that's only because it either falls close to my own preferred headcanon or I just find it that fascinating.
there's nothing wrong with liking college aus. I think people just want more variety.
i like to read fic for the porn too even if it's not exactly written in but it's stated that they fuck well that's good enough for me. except i'm kind of the opposite where i enjoy reading long fics and waiting for the porn to happen or reading a long fic where there happens to be porn.
i like that anons are thinking outside the box for the sex in fics bc heavens knows i've done enough 'research' on weird porn (though writing half of that stuff would really show some strange things about myself....)
i like that anons are thinking outside the box for the sex in fics bc heavens knows i've done enough 'research' on weird porn (though writing half of that stuff would really show some strange things about myself....)
oh i know what anons mean i am just saying i would be totally content personally in a fandom of nothing but college aus
what kind of porn qualifies as weird/stand-outish? curious since I think I'm too vanilla at heart to really think up anything. (I just want more intercrural because legs.)
I feel like I've gotten past the point of nerves...but I'm sure once I see my fic up I'll get nervous all over again.
lmfao i'm still sending in reedits @__@ poor mods
I gave up on it once I hit send pretty much. out of sight, out of mind.
i'm like nervous-excited, i hope my remixee likes my fic (and that other people like it too :x)
i feel like the people most likely to write this kind of fiction though aren't drawn to kficdom thougg (i was gonna say ficdom in general but i have seen a few more inventive ~western fics)
LOL i wish i could stop thinking about it but i keep mulling over things and reopening the doc to edit it T__T the worst
we're all in this together ;; hwaiting anon!!
anons how do you make yourself finish a fic before the deadline? i'm so swamped with work rn but i don't want to drop out either ;; i'm thinking of setting daily wc goals for myself but i'm not sure if i can even stick to them.
i write on my phone and i carry a little notebook with me everywhere. even if all i can write is a sentence here or there is all adds up. also i have fic writing time planned onto my schedule
tbh i think that's a very unnecessarily dark reading of idoldom. of course it's a fucked up industry in a great number of ways but i wouldn't be into kpop if i wasn't convinced that idols actually enjoyed what they were doing on occasion. i am not saying all canon fic should be like sm's i am documentary (look at these convenient hardships!) but at the end of the day i assume most idols are at least somewhat happy.
well i guess that's just a fundamental difference. i don't see the point in reading fanfic that doesn't strive for good characterization. a fic could be very well written, have a great plot, etc but if the characters lose me then it would greatly hinder my enjoyment and i would probably not be drawn to read it again. i read a lot of fic for fandoms i'm not in because 15-30k is a good chunk of reading before bedtime but i can't say i enjoy those fics as much as good fic for the groups i stan. as an example from my fandom, i think ctab is a perfectly serviceable writer with often interesting plots but i can't say i've enjoyed much of her fic because i often find her characterization baffling. of course alternate interpretations of people exist and i would encourage people to mix up their own characters and try new things but....idk maybe i approach rpf the same way i approach other fanfic but there still needs to be some kind of canon to support those characterizations. i think "we don't know them" is often a cop-out. and i think the authors who rely more on fanon characterizations (see, in exo fandom: dumb slutty kai, chic bitchface kris) also tend to have the problem in their fic of no in text support for their motivations, if that makes sense? because they're already relying on a flimsy base. there are aff fics i enjoy more for their characterization than some popular lj fics so i don't think this is limited to just "good" authors. but i certainly enjoy those aff fics that feel more "canon" then some kind of more well written fic where i can't understand why a character is doing something.
and as for different behaviors in different environments i think that's still totally compliant with rl counterparts. for example making a character a girl for a gender swap, you could focus on how dominant male behaviors would manifest in a girl socialized into a very rigid female role. or vice versa, how say someone like krystal would be treated if she were a boy.
ah sorry for rambling
well i guess that's just a fundamental difference. i don't see the point in reading fanfic that doesn't strive for good characterization. a fic could be very well written, have a great plot, etc but if the characters lose me then it would greatly hinder my enjoyment and i would probably not be drawn to read it again. i read a lot of fic for fandoms i'm not in because 15-30k is a good chunk of reading before bedtime but i can't say i enjoy those fics as much as good fic for the groups i stan. as an example from my fandom, i think ctab is a perfectly serviceable writer with often interesting plots but i can't say i've enjoyed much of her fic because i often find her characterization baffling. of course alternate interpretations of people exist and i would encourage people to mix up their own characters and try new things but....idk maybe i approach rpf the same way i approach other fanfic but there still needs to be some kind of canon to support those characterizations. i think "we don't know them" is often a cop-out. and i think the authors who rely more on fanon characterizations (see, in exo fandom: dumb slutty kai, chic bitchface kris) also tend to have the problem in their fic of no in text support for their motivations, if that makes sense? because they're already relying on a flimsy base. there are aff fics i enjoy more for their characterization than some popular lj fics so i don't think this is limited to just "good" authors. but i certainly enjoy those aff fics that feel more "canon" then some kind of more well written fic where i can't understand why a character is doing something.
and as for different behaviors in different environments i think that's still totally compliant with rl counterparts. for example making a character a girl for a gender swap, you could focus on how dominant male behaviors would manifest in a girl socialized into a very rigid female role. or vice versa, how say someone like krystal would be treated if she were a boy.
ah sorry for rambling
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